Cup over Cupid: Confessions of a Football Widow & Designing My AI Fantasy Squad

[00:00] business said POV, you're creating your own fantasy football team. But it was very funny when I put that video out. I mean, I even had one of my gay friends saying he said, I don't know who these men are, but they are all fixed AF. And I was like, they're actually AF.

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[00:44] Am your host Natalie. Let's get into it. So let's start with Pride Month. Because Pride Month is nearly over. I think that we've touched on this slightly before, but I'd love to know more of your thoughts on women who might want to explore either sexual fantasies or sexuality in general.

[01:09] And sometimes the barriers that they might face when considering exploring things that they're not sure about with a real person. Because it can be nerve wracking. It can sometimes in the wrong, very wrong situation almost be dangerous. But it's also, it can be something kind of, you know, you explore something and you end up not being the thing for you.

[01:33] And then there's that kind of like post experience kind of shame or embarrassment. Like what are you on this topic? Well, I actually have quite a funny story about Pride. So this was Manchester Pride, which is yet to actually happen. Manchester Pride isn't till August sort of time.

[01:53] Yeah, yeah. And I got booked to do some presenting there on Pride. And it was for a sexual wellness brand. And my partner come out with me and we were literally like giving out sex toys to everyone at Pride. And it was so good. And everyone loved it. Everyone was so up for it.

[02:13] I was at my god. Thank you so much. And these, there's like everyone was so yeah into it and up for it. And we were just quite funny. Yeah, it was just quite funny. I was just going to say it's quite funny. So I brought out my partner. And it was like this sort of weather.

[02:26] It was like 32 degrees. It was like, I've never said that. I've never said that. I've never said that. But everyone loved it. Everyone was fun. Did you have to explain to people that he was sweating because of the heat and not sweating because he was panned out.

[02:41] Yeah, no, no. I mean, he was maybe sweating because of that as well. But yeah, it was my house like this. I mean, I know you do a lot of stuff in our beautiful shed town of Manchester. But, but you haven't done that in other places. Do you feel that Manchester's different to other places when it comes to attitude?

[03:00] Yeah, I mean, I've made it done it. Yeah, in Manchester, in London, I have done it before. But again, it's just kind of picking like for right area. Like, I wouldn't necessarily do that in like, May fair in London. I feel like, yeah, just be like, why do it or in like, I don't know, Liverpool Street would be again wrong.

[03:19] But you just said, like, no, because I think I did it when it was, it was in the short itch. And again, a bit more creative a bit more. And I think it's the same here, like when I go to like Northern Quarter, everyone's really up for it. But if I was to maybe go to like Dean's Gate, don't know if you might be a bit more like, oh, don't know about that.

[03:40] So yeah, I think it just ends in the area. Definitely have to know your area when it comes to stuff like that. But, you know, we are, it probably is obviously about celebrating everybody's kings, everybody's sexualities. Everybody's personal preferences. You know, across the spectrum of sexuality.

[04:00] And you know, I think there's a lot of statistics out there to say that there are women who certainly feel like maybe they, they, they're unsure or uncomfortable about exploring certain things or trying certain things that they're maybe kept in the back of their mind.

[04:19] And so I'm just wondering what you think about a product like Sensor. Obviously it has AI characters, men, women, different personality types, different scenarios. For exploring those kind of things that you think maybe you would like to kind of explore, but you're not really sure if you want to approach that with person.

[04:44] I think it's great because you're able to explore those sort of fantasies, but in a safe space. You're not actually going out there and going to meet someone because even just going out there and meeting someone can be quite an overwhelming experience anyway. So being able to like explore it from the comfort of your home and figure out if it's something you sort of like we were sort of into is like such a safer and way better way better way to do things I would say.

[05:12] Yeah, and that's before we even get into straight, cis women like me who, you know, a lot of people in my category. And just sick of dating they're just sick of going out to the right. You have a lot of people who look at the female characters on Sensor. Yeah, but that's something I'd be quite intrigued to like not even though I'm, you know, a straight woman.

[05:32] I'd be quite intrigued to like chat to woman just to fit into a city. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, it's like exploring a fantasy rather than me going out there and being like, right, I'm going to go find someone because that sometimes when you take it out of the fantasy.

[05:46] It doesn't become a fantasy anymore if that makes sense. Yeah, but like, oh, no, this is not what I want at all, but I like it as something that's yeah, a fantasy. It might end sort of my imagination in my face, based on how to be. Yeah, because you know, let's face it humans regardless of your sexuality regardless of whether you're with man woman, you know, whoever.

[06:12] People don't necessarily always turn out the way that you might have imagined them to in your head. Mm, definitely not, yeah. I mean, I'm going to be really briefly briefly honest, take guys and this is going back quite a long time. I'm getting on a bit now, but I did once hooked up with a guy who I met at a party and I thought, look, I had this idea of him in my head and he didn't just.

[06:40] Didn't just turn out to not be like the idea, but he was just utterly boring. And by this point obviously like, I'm in a bedroom. I did kick him out. I did kick him out. I did just kick him out. I mean, it was it was quite brutal. I think you got that the reality guys of real life hookups with real life humans.

[07:09] So the thing like, did you meet him on a dating app and then did you meet up? No, we at a block party. I had no intention of faking up with anybody, but we met at a block party and I thought, er, he's quite a half and probably just didn't pay enough attention. I'd probably was few drinks in at this point.

[07:28] Yeah. Yeah, and it just didn't play out. The thing is the way that I might have imagined it was. Because I feel like that happens quite a lot with dating apps. You get chatting to someone. You start visualizing them in your heads and being like, oh my god, this guy's a lot of, because that's happened to me before where I've been chatting to someone and then you actually end up meeting up and you're like, oh, no, you're not.

[07:51] What I, yeah, visualized and so I remember that years and years ago meeting up with a guy from a dating app. And when I met up with him in real life, it was clear that all of his pictures were from like 10 years before. And I was like, it wasn't a catfish, but it was another word for it isn't there now.

[08:11] It's like it's not a catfish, but it's like, er, there's another type of fish that I think they call this, but it's basic. The misrepresentation. Mmm. You did not look like this in your picture. So, no. No. I know, it's, it's interesting, isn't it? Because I know you and I are very authentic on our social media.

[08:34] And I'm sure you've had this. I know you've been loving man forever long now, but I'm sure you've had this too, where people actually say, at least they have to mean when people have met me who knew me on the line previously, have gone, oh wow, you actually look like your pictures.

[08:50] Mmm. Yeah, that's happened to me before as well. And I'm always shocked by that because it kind of gives an impression or a suggestion of how many people really do alter their pictures. And I'm much the people are surprised when they need somebody who actually look like their pictures.

[09:06] Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm all for like a nice filter and things like that. I think it's a little bit, if that's what you're going to do. But I think if you're really changing it to the point where you look completely different, then is it uncomfortable for you then going on a date and meeting someone like, do you not?

[09:25] I think people don't realize it though. I don't think they think that are a headlight that thought. Yeah, I think so too. I think people don't think like that. It definitely struck me one of the times I met a guy and he was like, he actually said, wow, you're so much more attractive in real life like your pictures don't do you justice.

[09:42] And I just immediately went, well, I'm glad it's that and not the other way around. And then I thought, gosh, no, but for some people, they realize that the person that they've met up with is actually like disappointed compared to their pictures. And like that must feel really more for like, I'd rather just have my real pictures on it if somebody doesn't like them, they could just swipe like it.

[10:04] Not that I'm on the dating apps anymore, guys. I'm sorry. Sorry to tell you, it's not me. I tried it, I failed. I tried, I didn't know. Well, we're on the subject now. I've got the shirts on. Let's talk about the World Cup because obviously England absolutely smashing it.

[10:22] First time. It's a big day. Is it coming home? Maybe. Who knows? I mean, I was definitely that obnoxious England fan in the last two months in LA, well, since the World Cup started to be going. It's coming home. Like people said, he thinks it's going to win and I'm like, England, and they were like, no, really.

[10:41] That's like England. No, I really think that. It's a great optimism about us English when it comes to football. I love the show. It's nice. It's nice. It's like the vibes when it's out as well. It's good atmosphere and seeing it. It's a good atmosphere. Yeah. I love that about the World Cup.

[10:58] I love it. Just bring everybody together. And I was watching the England Croatia game on Santa Monica, pair in the big event. I've been there for so long. I've been there for so long. It was so nice. There were so many people there. And you know, only probably I would say about fifth of us there.

[11:15] Maybe even less were actually English. And there were people there for moreover. And we were just hugging each other. Everyone was having a good time. There was a girl in front of me who was from Kazakhstan. But we lived in London. She was cheering for England.

[11:30] And I was just like, she know what, this is great. This is such a nice, nice to just bring people together. So Zara, if you're watching, I don't know if you've joined Zara with friends. Zara with friends on Instagram. And watching, hi Zara. It was nice to meet you.

[11:43] And but yes, the World Cup, how does that relate to women's pleasure exactly? Well, it was interesting because yeah, when I did interview people on the streets, the whole like, I, you know, do you feel like you're becoming a football widow, because you're partners at watching the football lows.

[12:02] When we're like 100% 100% like, really, like, could really understand that aspects. Yeah, I think one of the questions I asked was like, oh, do you feel football is like the mistress? And loads of women were like, yeah, yeah, it's like the side chick, the first.

[12:20] The world cup. So it's like, it totally, because that, when I went out on the streets, I was a bit like, does that really work like pleasure? Well, kind of like, but there's actually a lot of like, yeah, weighs into it for sure. And I got some really interesting answers.

[12:36] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I introduced that phrase to a girl from Los Angeles, but lives in New York while I was out in the States. And I said, a football widow, and she'd never heard it before, she was cracking up. And I had to explain the concept of what football widow is.

[12:53] We can also get, you know, PlayStation widows or basketball widows, whatever it is that your man is in, whatever it is that he can knows you for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, yeah, you might as well be cast for the ghost. You can't see you for the duration.

[13:10] Like, that time, yeah. You know, I do think that I had an inkling, I had an inkling that there were still going to be football, because you know, football isn't for everyone. I know how, I happen to be one of the girls that's into the football, but not everybody is.

[13:27] Everyone's doing it. If I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not matriing into it either, but it was quite funny, like speaking to other girls on the streets who weren't necessarily into it either. And some of the quote, I was like, what's your most off-site DM and like, picking everything for the way.

[13:45] And it was fun. I love that. I can't wait to see these videos, honestly. They're going to be great. So, you know, I don't want to give too much away. Obviously, you've got these videos coming out, but off the girl that you spoke to, who did consider themselves football, which is, to be like, sounds like, well, she can say did they think there's something like, sounds like, be of interest to them, might be something that's not in the world.

[14:13] Girls was like 100%. And it was interesting, because like, obviously, I asked the whole, you know, to feel like you're becoming football widow, yes. And I was like, oh, would you have a trial? I can AI device designed for women's pleasure. And they were like, what's that? And then what's that explained into them?

[14:27] Oh, my God. Oh, you're just, and we're like really up for kind of trying it. So, yeah. And then I was kind of explaining about the whole aspects of the football characters. Yeah. And it's just, you know, interesting. Really interesting. I am, I'm very proud to say that I put forward that suggestion, broadening some football player characters, not for any suggestion, just because of the theme of World Cup.

[14:52] But, yeah. Not for any personal reason. Well, so, yeah. I don't know if you saw my video with the idea to be the part of it. So, interesting, sub-story about that bit of development with the product. Was that I made this suggestion of the football player characters and the product team said to me.

[15:15] And this, I will get back, because this is touches on a wider point about how you guys out there can contribute to the development of sense on because you can. I, I said football player characters and they said, can you send us some that you like? So, I was sitting there screenshot in Goulder, the hot footballers and sending them.

[15:39] A lot of girls were saying when I was on the streets, because I asked them a whole question about who would be your fantasy football and those of girls was like, oh, that night sharing goalkeeper. Have you seen them? The night sharing goalkeeper? He's too handsome.

[15:56] But, yeah, I don't know what his name is. I don't know what name. Oh, it's a career. I think it's Mediocara Coye. Not that I've been studying in much forever. You're business, too. You're getting a career in him. You can enjoy your own kind of football. But it does touch on a wider point, because part of, A, you just said it there.

[16:19] Something else wanted to know what the concept was of this AI device. Because it's still wild concept. And I remember. Yeah, I think initially when people say, A, I, you still get that sort of fear factor of like, oh, that sounds a bit scary. It sounds a bit. But when you actually explain the device and it's more, It's more than a massive experience more than anything.

[16:42] It's not like your on chat, LGBT asking questions. It is more like an immersive experience for yourself. So I think when you explain it like that, then people are like, oh, actually, wow, that's a bit amazing. And did actually speak to this one woman who was saying to me, oh, when I say to my partner, oh, can I come watch the football with you?

[17:03] He's like, no, it's a man's thing. It's a voice thing. Like, no, no, what I like is it's a voice thing sort of. And I found that fight interesting stuff for, oh, like, yeah, that maybe there's that part or aspect of it as well. That man want to go watch it with the men being men and not have women there such.

[17:26] Yeah, it's interesting. I think I think. Definitely looking back at what are my exes that was definitely a theme with him. There was definitely the voice time. Yeah. Well, you weren't welcome. Part of that. With him, the problem was always voice time. Yeah. But we have really relationship time in other than it. I was cooking him dinner.

[17:51] Yeah. But yeah. And now that is definitely an interesting point as well. But yeah. You know, the concept of it. I remember when I first heard about censor and they explained the product to me. And I think I couldn't father them when you first, like you said, when somebody first mentions that you go, well, what? How does that work? And then they explain it.

[18:15] And it is such a huge leap in innovation from, you know, I think sex toys other than the sort of, you know, the suction devices that came out a few years ago. It wasn't really much innovation or development probably for the last 20 years. They were all different variations of the same kind of things.

[18:35] So this felt like such a leap, I think, in terms of what a product could offer. Yeah. I kind of went from being like, oh, how does that work? Wow. Okay. That's really interesting. And I think one of the things that I still find really exciting and interesting about it is like a lot of tech companies, you know, obviously part of the product is app based.

[19:00] They can constantly update it and add things like football characters. So for girls out there who find this concept interesting, like most tech companies, they have community channels. They've got a discord. They've got an Instagram community and you can literally go in there and ask for what you want. Like I did with the football player character.

[19:22] That's great. That's really like good to know as well. Because you, because well, I found it when I was talking to people, but oh, do they have a character like this? Oh, do they have something like that? So it's great that it feels a bit more collaborative sort of thing as well.

[19:37] Yeah. Because, you know, I think they're one team. I'm one person. I've asked for the things that I'm into, but what I'm into certainly doesn't represent all women, you know. Cool. Yeah. I think it's just a really interesting thing. And especially like how quickly they turn the football player characters around.

[19:57] If there's something that you're into, you can literally go and give that feedback and request it in the app and they can build it. I just think that that alone, that, you know, when you put the hardware and even the app and the whole immersive things to one side, that alone is such a massive step forward in terms of women.

[20:17] Like we've said in this whole live so far, being able to explore different fantasies with different characters, different sexes and whatever, whatever they come up with. It definitely feels like they're kind of putting women first and kind of prioritizing our pleasure a bit more and also being able to own that by like you said being able to request different characters or request different things.

[20:43] It feels like they're putting women at the forefront of it rather than your just someone who's purchasing the advice that makes sense. Yeah. And you can explore things that don't even exist in the real world. Like if you wanted a where-world character, they could probably build them. I'm sure they can build a where there's definitely some album character. I know they've been reading that fair report on the sort of a book talk.

[21:05] Yeah. There's definitely some sort of album character on there already that I've checked out. Yeah. I've noticed that it was like a twilight sort of vibe. Yeah. There's all things people have so many different types of fantasies as well and like you're not necessarily going to go and they're hunting through the woods trying to find a vampire.

[21:27] Well, like, well, like, that's something. Yeah. Like we were saying about people and things not turning out the way you envisioned it. If you did meet a real life vampire, it might not go down. No. It's going to be a head to the cheek you out of it. So it's not really.

[21:42] Yeah. And we really, there's also a character on there who is just speeding image of one of my mates and I did up to message him and tell him. I said, he was a character on here who looks just like you and he was absolutely over the moon about it. He could have been proud of it.

[21:59] He couldn't have been better. Yeah. So, that's how I compliment his song. It's because it's like, you're the same like, you're what women would be in. Well, yeah. So it's kind of compliment in some ways. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they had made him the character, the AI version of him, was a good 10 years younger than my friend actually is.

[22:23] So they had made a young, you know, women who were into a younger man. Yeah. A young start. Yeah. So, I think that probably just made him even happier.

[22:36] That's so funny. But I think we're going to create your own character. Because there are anything that brings to mind that you would instantly know you wanted to create. Because for me, it was for baller. Yeah. Maybe not. I would be quite into maybe sort of like rich, wolf or wolf street sort of like, you know, your businessmen vibes.

[22:57] Oh, yeah. Yeah. That could be quite hot, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, quite, yeah. I feel like there's probably, there might even be a character like that on there. There might be, I haven't looked for that. I've never looked for that. But, well, I've just looked.

[23:13] And if you know, yeah, or kind of feeding into the whole like sugar daddy fantasy as well. Because I think a lot more women are fighting to that too. So, yeah. It's really interesting. So it's definitely seen a wave of younger girls, you know, early 20s with what looked like could be almost retired.

[23:33] Husbands on TikTok. I don't know why the algorithm decided to pop that into my feed. But I'm not saying that. I'm saying that. Well, yeah. I think it was trying to tell me that I have a history. I am a bit of a baby face. Those who know how old I am. I am a little bit of a baby face.

[23:53] And so I naturally attract men who are younger than me because they didn't come to the edge. So I do have a dating history that is A involves mostly guys who are younger than me. And B has also been a complete disaster. I don't know if those two things are linked.

[24:10] So it was it was yes, boys of the world, absolutely. I know the school to see us make that final. It's at Final 32 rounds. But yeah, I think maybe TikTok was trying to suggest to me that perhaps I should try dating someone older than me for a change. Maybe not quite that much older.

[24:32] Maybe yeah. But they definitely could like to pending on sort of what's going on in the world, like even like hot tennis players or something like. When would it be? Yeah. So it could be interesting if they were like to have limited edition characters at such. Yeah.

[24:55] Yeah. For like the areas or what's going on in the world. Maybe. Like all of you actually just making me think of young rough and the doubt. But like it Christmas like a fan to see if that's. You know what, I think that's something something people are better is.

[25:19] If you don't know since on his an AI powered intimate device for women, it is a three in one device. So it touches three of your erotic zones. The first three that you think of it's those ones. And it's completely hands free. And connects to an app of AI characters that you can interact with.

[25:41] And basically the device and the various parts of it, which can be used individually or altogether. Move in sync with what the character says they are doing with you to you. Have you enjoy that time. You can enjoy it like that. So this is what it looks like. It comes in a beautiful case.

[26:02] Catherine has been taking this device out onto the sports of Manchester. She has people this is the inside. Um, loads of people said they love the design as well. They said it's very like sleek looking. And the best things I know too. Because I think that, um, you know, traditionally women's intimate devices have been fairly on the garage side, lots of bright colours and no casing.

[26:30] And that is something that I've often said you could just leave on your bedside table and note you know what it was. It just looks like a bit of an ornament. And even the hardware just being all white with that lovely glow of that purple light. I think it's just attractive or like if Molly Mae wanted a sex toy, it would be sent some because it's very like clean garlic static.

[26:52] So they should send a one. I'm not suggesting that as well because she's not scared of talking about anything is she some sort of she's very clean looking. It matches the clean garlic static look. What kind of feedback have you had when you've taken the device out onto the streets of Manchester?

[27:13] I always get the sort of like, like, oh wow, what's this sort of thing. But everyone is such a very sleek looking, um, discrete. Yeah, all of that stuff. And then it's quite funny because then some people say, oh, be nice if it had like a colour to it and I'm like, well, yeah, we'll be a little bit like something.

[27:32] And they're like, oh, that's really nice. And they said like the whole colour of the pink. It feels quite warm and quiet. Like feminine relaxing. So it's not like a kind of garrish pink. So I feel like matches really well. Yeah, I think you definitely, I think they've really kind of thought of everything actually.

[27:53] Because like you said that, for the people who did want the colour, it's very clean looking and I really enjoy that as well. But I think the colour does add something that stops it being overly clinical. Yeah, yeah. It still just makes it a bit more because you know, it's designed for pleasure.

[28:12] It's meant to be playful. It's meant to be something that you enjoy. And it is very playful, that bit of colour. And the fact that it's a light and the way that you said it closed and it's not too sort of in your face. It's very, it's very fun. So, so, and as you know, what, and I always love watching a video when you take it out and about because I don't think there's been there's been there's not many people that I've ever seen online or anyone anywhere else who just walks around the streets of the city with a sex toy.

[28:45] And it's great. And I absolutely love to see it. And you do it so amazingly. And yeah, I'm just really excited to watch the next round of videos. Tim Raghast surprised. I went to it was a TV series premiere for Channel 4, but this show called Tipto. And it was really great.

[29:09] We watched like the first episode, but that was all filmed on Canal Street. And it's very, very exciting to ring around as kind of homosexuality and like pride. And there's loads of themes in the show of like, you know, that there was this one scene in the show where he's like a drag artist and he's talking about how he feels like he has to tiptoe now when he goes into rooms because he can't feel like he can express himself as much.

[29:37] And so it was like, it was really interesting just the different themes, but I feel like it kind of links back to the whole thing of like wanting to explore your fantasies, but maybe being too scared to go out there and explore them. And you could explore them and you know, in private, but yeah, that was really interesting though.

[29:56] Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm definitely going to get that show out. And it's really good. I mean, I've only watched, I've actually watched the full series yet, but it does get quite dark. So yeah. Well, okay. I've watched it. But maybe we can suggest that they do a season change with sense on.

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